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  Pesach Kornreich -4 years ago

  Disconnect Between Alter Rebbe's Answer and Shiur

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  Even with the answer to the question at the end of the shiur, I still felt a disconnect between the Alter Rebbe's answer and the discussion in the shiur.

  At first, I was blown away by the beautfiful answer of the Alter Rebbe. However, the findings of the shiur appear to undermine the Alter Rebbe's answer. According to the shiur, when the error is Avodah Zarah, *all* 12 tribes have to participate, yet in the answer, it seems to be a problem of *just* the ones who sinned - the other 11 tribes besides Levi. Of course, it could be answered, that it would be very easy to find 10 tzadikim among the Leviim, because none of the tribe sinned. Then the problem returns of how Aharon's sons could be counted, since they were part of the tribe of Levi.

  The answer that the Kohanim belong to all the tribes is weak. It could be argued for Aharon, since he was a Kohen Gadol, and a Kohen Gadol is a "collective individual". The same status of a "collective individual" could be said of Moshe, since he was the king, but he was not counted in the 2nd midrash. However, I do not know of a source where a plain kohen is considered a "collective individual."

  Even accepting that the Kohanim could be counted among the other tribes, and it was easy to find 10 Leviim, the issue of the Leviim not being mentioned at all, still presents a difficulty regarding the Chasidut answer of the shiur. Even granting that they were mentioned implicitly by the fact that it was easy to find 10 Leviim, the fact they were not mentioned *at all* explicittly shows, even if only a small measure, a lack of "arevim zeh l'zeh" (i.e. that it's the *other* tribes' problem - not *my* problem) that seems to be so much of the emphasis of why *all* 12 tribes had to participate. 

  Just a few nagging questions I had. 

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  REFAEL -6 years ago

  Two Perspectives

  Chalom Rav, congratulations for all your great chiourim. Concerning the last one, 1 ) can we say that the two dimensions ( harcava / meziga ) correspond to the Bne Israel during the week and the Clal Israel during chabbat which is the opposite of Avoda zara et the raza de e'had ( See the first commentary of Sefat Emeth on the beginning of parachat Chela'kh ); 2 ) Can we suggest that the version with ten tsaddikim follow the view of the construction of one and unique gold calf and the version with eighty follow the view ( i think it's mentionned on the Yerouchalmi massekhte Sanhedrin ) there were in fact several gold calves of each tribe ? With all my admiration and thanks for your chiourim which give me a lot, from Paris ( pardon my eventual mitsakes, i am french and write in English very rarely ).

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  Chaim Bochner -6 years ago

  לכבוד הרב,

  יישר כחכם, שיעור נפלא. כמדומה, שמעתי שני יודין בשם זקני, הרה"ק מראפשיץ זי"ע

  ,כשהיה ילד המציא לו קשיא זו ואמר בערך בזה הלשון

  ווען איין יוד איז נעבן דעם צווייטן ווערט א שם, אבער ווען איין יוד טרעט אויף דעם צווייטען, בלייבט א שוא.

  נהנייתי על הרעיון שהשוא גם זה פסיק וחלק.

  הצלחה

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  Yochanan -6 years ago

  Thank you for another fantastic shiur! I found another distinction between the two midrashim that you opened the shiur with.

  In the first midrash Moshe asks if those that are deceased are
  considered alive for the purposes of his deal and Gd answered
  affirmatively.

  In the second midrash Moshe states; אם הללו בחיים ואינם יכולים לעמוד להם
  בפרצה זו יעמדו המתים. It seems to me a פלא that in the first midrash
  Moshe, although he asked, seemed to have understood that the deceased
  are still living for this purpose and in the second midrash he makes no
  such assumption.

  Perhaps, if I understood the progression and nuance of the shiur
  correctly the first midrash which is following the opinion of Reb Meir
  and a worldview of הרכבה מיזגית there is no distinction between deceased
  and alive - it is all a seamless unit. However, the second midrash
  which follows the worldview of הרכבה שכנית is a philosophy which is
  woven with multiplicity and therefore the אבות are deceased and Moshe
  doesn't ask whether or not they are alive.

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  moti -6 years ago

  כמדומני שאמרת בשעור "שרב" עם סגול תחת ש ו-ר,כמו שמש.אבל הניקוד הנכון הוא 2 קמצים.ראה ישעיה מ"ט,י (המקור לתוספות שבת),וכן ראה ישעיה ל"ה ז.

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    Giacomo Zippel -5 years ago

    Rabbi Meir kotnot  or : What about Rashi's sefer Torah  in Devarim <> without a Yud. no letter missing from the Torah (by the way 2 years ago' an old (1250) Sefer from Italy was restored and I found out that it was written without that Yud. Awesome! How is all this possible ? (I think the sefer is now in Yerushalayim. I can check with Rav Riccardo Di Segni-

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      Giacomo Zippel -5 years ago

      

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