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What is Daas Torah? Can a "Gadol" Lie Once in 20 Years?

Does Torah Believe in Following Rabbis Blindly?

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At a recent class, one of the students asked Rabbi YY Jacobson if Judaism beleives in following Rabbis and Rebbes blindly. Here is his response.

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yakov Kaufman -2 years ago
?אפילו אומר לך על ימין שהי שמאל וכן להיפוך האיך אתה מתרץ זה
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Rachel -7 years ago
We Love Saints
I once heard that Rabonim in Lubavitch aren't regarded with any more Kovoid then a regular Yid. Their value is about who they are, regardless of their position as a Rov or a kli Koidesh. Maybe it is a problem, but there is something good about it. In the Heimishe culture or Litvishe culture, Rabonim take on almost a Godly image. people see them through a lens that views them as perfect, impeccable, holy human beings, with no human condition, no Yezer Horahs, no Taives. They become leaders not because they have what to give to anybody, but because they become holy saints, detached from themselves, the World and Klall Yisroel, and people start to worship them. Because isn't their God made of the same fabric? A removed punishing and detached God? This is our tragedy. We want leaders that aren't human. (Looking for God in them). Now you come along with all your human conditions, people start to loose you, to some of them you no longer can be their Rav, in their eyes you lost your position and you cease having any impact anymore or a place of influence. You don't fit the image of a Rov.
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Kg -7 years ago
Are you saying...
That only if the person is perfect and never falls should you consider him daas TORAH? That's how it sounds to me from the lying every six years example. I really hope you're not saying that because it seems to me that that gives everyone a pass to NOT have a rav or daas TORAH which they consult.
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- Anonymous -6 years ago
  i dont think so i think that if you dont want to follow the rules then you dont need a good rav to blow a horn at the question is for someone that WANTS to follow but wants to know whom and if you are honest with yourself it shouldnt be such a issue
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Kg -7 years ago
Are you saying...
That only if the person is perfect and never falls should you consider him daas TORAH? That's how it sounds to me from the lying every six years example. I really hope you're not saying that because it seems to me that that gives everyone a pass to NOT have a rav or daas TORAH which they consult.
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  Rabbi Pinchos Woolstone -4 years ago
  infalliblity does not exist no human is perfect. There are nevertheless leaders of exceptional stature these are those we can turn to for advice and direction.
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ephrayim -7 years ago
A Rebbe's Arrogance
From the Ruzhiner a parable on the feeling of gayva of a Rebbe. Imagine a lord of a town whenever he goes between the people the shower him with praise and bow to him and bless him. One day the king tells the lord he wants to visit his town and ride together with him between the people. Now when they are going around together and the people who don't know the king , they just know their lord of the town. Imagine what the lord feels like when in the presence of the king the people bow down and praise him ( the lord ) imagine what the lord feels like. He would want to dig a hole from embarrassment, because he knows that the real praise belongs to the king and in the presence of the king he is a nobody. So should a person feel when haughtiness creeps up on him , he should realize that he is constantly in the presence is the divine so how can he take any credit for himself.
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