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When Love Is Not About The Lover

Sometimes you must separate in order to truly become one. A tale of two Rachels

55 min

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When Love Is Not About The Lover: Sometimes you must separate in order to truly become one. A tale of two Rachels

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    Anonymous -12 years ago

    Re: it doesnt work
    We did have this problem but we fixed it and it has been working. Try refreshing your page. You can also download the mp3 of the class right below the video.

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    FABIAN -14 years ago

    PERMISSION
    Hi, I found inspiring your essay. I would like to quote your work, may I have your permission?
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    Roxanne Perri -14 years ago

    Freedom
    Excellent article on The Consciousness of Freedom. Many teenagers are rebellious simply because they come from a strict background where they are told, forced, or made to feel they have to follow the dictates of the parents. This approach does not work. They rebel, join cults and become involved in other unproductive arenas. Your article drives home the point.
    Thank you,
    Roxanne

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    Avraham -14 years ago

    Just wanted to congratulate
    Hi, just wanted to stop for a minute and congratulate you for the excelent work.

    Best regards
    Avraham
    Israel

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    alex -14 years ago

    internal freedom
    It is said that God in his compassion presents the cure
    before the disease.
    It is noteworthy that before the start of Exodus, the Biblical narrative was involved with the story of Joseph.
    Joseph, like the Jewish people, certainly had major
    setbacks in his life, yet we
    see that who he was, his core,
    was never compromised. Circum-
    stances didn't determine his
    belief in himself and the
    ultimate outcome of his life,
    whatever that would turn out to be.
    In Exodus, the same kind of training that fostered Joseph's sense of self, now had to be inculcated into the
    national psyche of the Israelites. Joseph was independent, despite being in jail, and remained his own person with a moral
    compass, in the face of temp- tations, so too the Israelites maintained their own identity and spiritual legacy, despite their servitude.

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    progol -14 years ago

    11/23 class
    Rabbi RS Hirsch comments similarly on Vayifga. at the end of Vayetze.

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    ISAAC -14 years ago

    TO YOCHANAN GORDON
    I don't think diaggreing with your insight is disrespectful. I just think that your insight has no basis in dekduk or derash: "kemoso," has nothing to do with the word "kemas." That is not direspect, its the way of Torah -- various opinions. In any case, you invented an idea, a similarity of two words, which in my opinion has no basis.
    Respectfully.

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    Yochanan Gordon -14 years ago

    To Isaac
    The purpose of the Drasha was just to accentuate the difference between a Shliach and a Sachir as expounded upon in the Shiur by Rabbi Jacobson. You see, a Sachir is a hired hand and everything he does is as an entity unto himself. He is bound by certain legal laws which he carefully heeds in order to get paid and not to be penalized for his errors.

    A Shliach, however, is acting as an extension of the one who sent him. At this years Kinnus, I believe it was Rabbi Moshe Kotlarsky who related that one of the hardest decisions for the Friediker Rebbe to make was sending a Shliach to a place of potential danger. The Rebbe himself came to America a physically broken man, after enduring years of abuse by the Russian officials. Still, sending a Shliach to a place where he and his family lived in danger was as if he himself was going to that place.

    On that note, A shliach appointed by any Mishaleach, including a shliach sent out by the Rebbe performs his or her duties based on the will of the one that sent him or her. Following this line of thought, the drash that I employed shows how the inherent difference between a Sachir and A Shliach is in the very word itself.

    It was not a far-fetched innovation rather an attempt at Yagdil Torah Vya'adir. It seems however, in todays day and age people are much quicker to dismiss an original thought to protect their own image than to get involved in the matter and find a common ground to stand upon together.

    There is enough discord among us, let us work at uniting and God will send the ultimate Shliach, Eliuahu Hanavi to be mevaser the Geula.

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    Isaac -14 years ago

    To Yochanan Gordon
    Wow, a big chedush. But I think too novel and far fetched. Kemo-So means it is like him. Why the need for such far fetched innovations?

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    Yochanan Gordon -14 years ago

    Shliach/Mishaleach
    Perhaps on a more profound level, the distinction between a Shliach and a Sachir is alluded to in the statement of Chazal, "Shlucho shel Adam K'moso. The word K'moso, while meaninglike him, in a simpler form means as he is dead from the root word 'Mes". This is o say that a Shliach represents the Mishaleach and must strip himself of all independence and identity which is as if he has died.

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    Sonia Schatzman -14 years ago

    Amazing!!!
    The highlight of my week

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    Anonymous -14 years ago

    taught the sicha
    took us on a trip in the middle
    toda

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    miriam -14 years ago

    wonderful
    wonderful class. should be heard by all chasonim and kalas. and married couples.

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    Malka -14 years ago

    Outstanding!
    Thank you so much for yet another beautiful, rich, inspiring shiur. Yasher Koach!

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    Rebbetzin Windsors -14 years ago

    Personal Inspiration
    Esther Avigayil fits the Rachel, Akiva's wife bill,Yasher Kochachah!

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    Mrs S -14 years ago

    Moshiach
    It didn't seem long when Yaacov worked for 7 years for Rochel. So why does it seem so long waiting for moshiach? Is it because we are waiting our needs and not moshiach's needs? If so, what is moshiach's needs? At least Yaacov knew, sort of, for how long he would have to work for Rochel. Ad mosai?

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    Shluchah -14 years ago

    Thank You
    As a shluchah who will be giving over this class tom. night, I would like to express my appreciation for an uplifting and very relevant shiur. In addition, highlighting our unique relationship with Hashem and the Rebbe, the meshale'ach, is a great and vital source of inspiration and encouragement when needed most.Thank you.

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    yisroel -14 years ago

    a teacher
    melamed
    based on today's shiur, how do we define a melamed in cheder? he is on shlichus and he gets a pay check?

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    Roni Brumberg-Horan -14 years ago

    Am so looking forward to your next class
    I used to learn for an hour everyweek with my Rabbi's wife - I moved and am not really into the community - I watched and listened to your class tonight and I was mesmerized - I not only learned but I could relate much of what you said to myself. I'm so anxious for your next lecture.

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    Admin -14 years ago

    Class Summary:

    This week’s Torah portion is entirely dedicated to the life, challenges, and journeys of Jacob. Jacob is forced to leave his beloved father, Isaac, and his beloved homeland, Israel, for the foreign shores of Charan, and for the crooked and hostile roof of his father-in-law, Laban. It is there that he marries, builds his family, and accumulates great wealth.

    Jacob encounters the Divine twice: once as his journey begins, and once as it ends; once as he departs Israel, and once as he returns. In the first, he is single, unencumbered, and wholesome. His life is relatively stress-free, he has few worldly obligations, and he is living in a transcendental oasis of spirituality. But Jacob’s second Divine encounter comes under entirely different circumstances. It is now over twenty years later, he is married with 12 children. He has learned many difficult lessons about life working endlessly day and night, and having been repeatedly cheated and betrayed by his father-in-law, Laban.

    Both times the Torah describes Jacob’s Divine experience, it is with a similar word, vayifga, ‘and he encountered,’ but there is one very significant twist—first Jacob encounters G-d, then G-d encounters Jacob. And in this lies the key of the maturation of relationships, from “employee” to “ambassador.”

    This class will explore the loving relationships between Jacob and Rachel, between Rabbi Akiva and his wife Rachel, demonstrate two types of love, one which focuses on the lover; the other one which focuses on the beloved. This allows us to understand the two types of relationships between man and G-d, in the beginning and at the end of Vayetzei.

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    Yechezkel Yaffee -14 years ago

    BS'D

    Absolutely marvellous!

    Thank you very much.

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    person -14 years ago

    nice!

    ironically

    this is one of the first times learning recently for me because i needed it (and this material is pertinent)

    so for me its all about the lover this time!

    love it!

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    yisroel -14 years ago

    wow
    thanx so much rabbi jacobson
    you are really inspiring those out there on shlichus
    keep up the great work

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    shlomo -14 years ago

    simply amazing!
    thank you

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    Albert -14 years ago

    Theory of relativity
    Great Einstein joke. Even better was the "ruchel" joke. New material is good!

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    hj -14 years ago

    is there a phone number to hear the class?

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    looking forward2 -14 years ago

    im proud to say that im ''addicted to these classes!!

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    joe -14 years ago

    looking forward
    I am truly looking forward to watch one more classic. Thank you. And thank you Schottensteins for sponsoring this.

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      Faigie -12 years ago

      Re: looking forward to the rest of the class
      Can't get past half of the tape recorded shir. It stops in the middle. Please repair if possible. it's such an excellent  class. Would love to hear the rest of it.

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        Anonymous -12 years ago

        Re: looking forward to the rest of the class
        We are sorry, but it is fixed now.

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