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The Laws of Finishing a Product on Shabbos -- Part 1

The Underlying Principles of “Makeh Bapatish”: Striking the Final Hammer Blow

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The Underlying Principles of “Makeh Bapatish”: Striking the Final Hammer Blow

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    Question -12 years ago

    Tapara Du Placho
    The Lubavitcher Rebbe had a frequent expression: Taporo da placho, which means the "hammer on the nail." He meant ot say to get it done in the real practical world.



    Question: Why did he not use the Talmudic term "makeh bapatish?"

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      Anonymous -12 years ago

      Re: Tapara Du Placho
      Your question reminds me of a story: A certain person came away from hearing a ma'amar chassidus from the Alter Rebbe very excited. 

      "it is clear", he said, "that the Rebbe (the A.R.) is a very G-dly person. He quoted a verse in the Megilla ותוסף אסתר ותדבר אל המלך ותפול לפני רגליו...." and asked 'How can we speak of "feet" in connection with the Aibershter'. The Rebbe didn't even introduce the question by saying "now we know that whenever in the Megillah the word המלך is used, it alludes to Hashem, the "king" of the world". He clearly sees the entire Megillah in its Divine context!"

      (The ma'amar is found in Torah Or by the A.R.)

      Now with regard to your question: You seeem to see makkeh b'patish in its spiritual sense more than its simple Halachic sense, and that's what prompted your question. Ashrecha, (on the one hand).

      "Taporo ....." has the sense of "let's get away from the theoretical and focus on the practical".

      Makeh b'patish is about finishing as opposed to just working - with no reference to practical vs. theoretical.

      The only case where the two phrases converge, is when looking at olam hazeh (the "practical" world), as the "makeh b'patish" of all creation. 

      So the source of your question is a very good one, although it doesn't really pose a  difficulty.

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    Berel -12 years ago

    The Final Work
    Thanks for the class. On the spiritual idea of makeh bapatish, see also Sicha of Shabbos Vayishlach 5748 at length.

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    Yaakov -12 years ago

    Siman 253
    Rabbi Wineberg, You mentioned that in Siman 509:9 we see the Alter Rebbe does not follow the Minchas Chenuch's perspective. You also mentioned siman 253. Where in that Siman?

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      Anonymous -12 years ago

      Re: Siman 253
      Yaakov, I'm impressed. The Rebbe once wrote my father zz"g, that when he provides a mareh mokom it is his (the Rebbe's) hishtatfus in "mivtza Torah", because it causes the learner to look up the source.

      To your question:

      in the middle of 253:6 the Alter Rebbe discusses putting an empty pot on the blech under his (e.g. cholent) pot so the cholent won't burn. The A.R. says: make sure to use a pre-used pot, not a new one. The reason for that is that to heat a new metal pot involves "makeh b'patish" - that's the way of finishiing off and strengthening newly made metal utensils. (The A.R. deals with this more extensively in hilchos Yom Tov 502:9, presumably because far more people use pots to cook on y.t. than use empty pots as buffers on Shabbos).

      Now, assuming the pot will be finished by heating, it's still not an action "beyadayim", actively performed by the person, in fact it's almost exactly like the case of making the clay pot in the kiln, which the Minchas Chinuch is coming from (in Shabbos 73b) in formulating his rule (lda'as Rashi). According to the M.Ch. this could not involve m.b'p.

      Since the A.R. forbids it because of makeh b'patish he clearly holds either a) this is not what Rashi meant, b) the din is like the Rosh who argues with Rashi (perek 2 of Betzah, can't remember exact siman).


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    Yitzchak -12 years ago

    Why Is it Subjective?
    Rabbi Wineberg, thanks for the classes, i am loving them.



    Why when it comes to removing the threads of a garment does the status if it is "makeh bapatish" or not depend on the subjective experience of the person, if he is makpid to remove these threads or not? Why don't we follow the mojaroity of people in this?



    Or, in other words, when do we say in halacha "batla daato" and when do we allow the individual to determine the status of the object?

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      Anonymous -12 years ago

      Re: Why Is it Subjective?
      Yitzchak:

      You are right. The garment is finished even when the pockets are sewn shut (especially a Shabbos'dike garment!). But the pocket isn't usable.

      The general idea of batla da'ato is too broad to explore here, see sifrei haklolim (encyc.Talmudis, s'dei chemed, etc.), but in the context of makeh b'patish we definitely follow da'as rov b'nei odom, unless this person's view accords with a substantial minority . See Shabbos 91 a Tosfos d"h Maskif

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