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The Laws of Finishing a Product on Shabbos -- Part 2

Can I Put a Shoelace Into My Shoe? Can I Make a Paper Airplane? Can I Design a Dinner Napkin?

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The Laws of Finishing a Product on Shabbos -- Part 2. Can I Put a Shoelace Into My Shoe? Can I Make a Paper Airplane? Can I Design a Dinner Napkin?

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    Rabbi Wineberg -12 years ago

    folding paper napkins
    Follow Shmiras Shabbos Kehilchoso

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    Yechiel -12 years ago

    paper napkins
    Rabbi Wineberg shy'



    First of all, I am really enjoying your classes. full of toichen, halacha, chassidus, WOW!! Our Yeshiva bochurim could use this in every Yeshivah..........



    I had the Zchus to know Rabbi Hendel A"H and he paskened that one may fold PAPER napkins in diferent shapes but not CLOTH napkins.....If I recall his reasoning was because it is disposable and not made to last.....



    could it be that there are poskim who permit this?



    Thanks.

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      Izzy -12 years ago

      Re: paper napkins
      Shmiras Shabbos K’hilchasa (28:17): It is mutar to fold paper napkins in basic forms (triangle, rectangle, or to place in a cup or napkin holder). However it is assur to fold paper napkins or any other paper (origami) in to sophisticated shapes or designs because this resembles Boneh.

       

      Be’er Moshe (Vol. 8:134): He permits folding these napkins and thin paper into sophisticated designs and limits the issur strictly to a stiffer form of paper that will retain the shape for an extended period of time.



      Rabbi Wineberg Shlita: What should we do lemaaseh?

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      Yechiel -12 years ago

      Re: paper napkins
      Hard to believe that R. Hendel (from whom I  received "shimush" when learning in Mont. kollel 5741) was oiser folding cloth napkin, since it doesn't assume folded shape at all,  Also, it will be unfolded at the meal.





      (General comment: cloth napkins used to wiped hands and mouth at a Shabbos meal can present problems of tzovei'a.)


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    beryl -12 years ago

    Drawers
    Rabbi Wineberg,





    Thanks for the great classes. If a regular drawer falls out on Shabbos, can I slide it back in? A drawer filled with spoons or tools, or pens, or "tzatzkes," as a regular kitchen drawer. Sometimes the kids will open it so far that it falls out, can I slide it back in?





    When I slide it in, it goes back on its hinges but it is a simple procedure, not maaseh eumnus. Yet it is not very loose, as it is stays there usually as a result of me sliding it back in. Is this "binyan bekelim"? And what if the drawer is part of a very big counter, as is true in most kitchen drawers, and a large pedicel of furniture, is it still permitted?





    How about sliding back in the draw of a refrigerator? Or putting back a shelf of the refrigerator? is this a problem of binyan bekelim, since it is a keli which is very large, hence it is like a structure and I cannot do that?





    Thank you for answering mine and all other questions. I am learning a lot.


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      Rabbi Wineberg -12 years ago

      Re: Drawers
      As a rule a drawer which has a track and is occassionally taken out to be used is not subject to boneh or mb"p when replacing (nor soser for removing). You are right about a fridge no longer having din of keli. So: shelf=problem, drawer, no problem. Thanks for feedback.

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    Yaakov -12 years ago

    Tags? Needles?
    I sometimes open new shirts on Shabbos. They have needles in then that need to be removed in order to wear the shirt. Can I remove them on Shabbos? Is it Makeh Bapatish? Also, is it a problem of Korah, separating the parts of the shirt that are connected?





    How about removing tags from shirt or pants on Shabbos? First of all, if they are attached by string, can I cut the string? Tear it? remove the threads so that the tag falls off? And is removing a tag makeh bapatish?

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    Yosel -12 years ago

    Suit Pockets
    Question: How about if I am putting on my suit and I want to open the pockets which are sealed? Is it a problem of Korah, tearing? Is it a problem of makah bapatish--completing the suit?





    And what if I am not makpid to wear the suit with closed pockets, in other words, both ways work for me, but I just want to open them on Shabbos?





    And what if a zipper is broken. Can I fix the zipper, slide it back into its place? Is it a problem of makeh baparish, making the garment suitable for wearing? What about tofer?





    What if a button is missing and I put on the button with a safety pin, is it a problem? makeh bapatish perhaps? Since people do not want to go out with a suit that is missing a button?

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      Rabbi Wineberg -12 years ago

      Re: Suit Pockets
      A few rules, from which you will be able to work out the answers to your questions:


      a) once an item is finished and usable it is not subject to mb"p. minor repairs don't count.


      b) whatever is part of the u s e of an item, does not involve mb"p.





      So: a) pockets (spoken about in shiur): yes problem of mb"p (and korei'a too)


      b) zipper: as long as still connected and doesn't require major skill in reinserting, ok.


      c) no tofer in using a zipper


      d) single pass with a safety pin (once into and out of garment) isn't tofer, certainly not mb"p since garment already finished and usable.


       





      Good questions, keep them coming

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