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The Debate of the Kabbalists on the Age of the Universe

Some Souls Are Transplants From a Different "Age"

37 min

Class Summary:

This class was presented on Tuesday Parshas Va'era, 24 Teves, 5780, January 21, 2020 at the Ohr Chaim Shul, Monsey, NY 

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    AK -4 years ago

    Just watched the Facebook video on years of creation, part II video says 365,000 x 42,000 years is about 50M years, the math is way off, it’s actually about 15 Billion with a B. I know one could say at that point the number is so large so who cares no difference in the overall point, true, but when you’re trying to compare or combat scientific evidence and skeptics or imply that this corresponds to later calculations by scientists it sounds bad when basic math is off by a whole order of magnitude. Perhaps the Rabbi just misspoke but just saying. Please relay to the Rabbi for future reference when referring to that calculation.

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    Sara -4 years ago

    7 middot.

    Relating to my previous comment about what the 7 previous worlds were founded on seems you said what they were, Chesed, Gevurah, Tiferet, Netzach, Hod, Yesod and Malchut.

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  • Anonymous -4 years ago

    the Rebbe teaches: "Until the Arizal, there was a discussion and debate. The Arizal, however, is considered authoritative on Kabbala by world Jewry, including both Ashkenazim (such as the Alter Rebbe and the Gaon of Vilna) and Sephardim. He clearly expressed his deciding view by saying that the intent was never that there was a physical world similar to the one that now exists, as a physical cosmos came about only in the current “Shemita cycle.” From the Torah’s perspective, one may no longer attempt to explain events (such as how Creation actually happened, etc.) in any manner at odds with his view." see https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/112083/jewish/Theories-of-Evolution.htm scroll down to section "Conjectures and Refutations"

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  • Anonymous -4 years ago

    The Rebbe teaches: "There are many famous explanations in various books that attempt to “kosherize” the Theory of Evolution, and to tailor the statements of our Sages accordingly. Possibly the most famous is the “Ohr HaChaim Discourse,” written by the Gaon Rabbi Israel Lifshitz, author of the Tiferet Yisrael commentary on the Mishna. In that discourse, he also attempts to cite the mystics as support for his theories. I must say, that it is beyond me and many like me, where he found these ideas in any of the printed works of Kabbala. With all due respect to his Torah knowledge, he distorted the meaning of several statements from our Sages. Eventually, because of the fact that the rest of his commentary to Mishna was accepted and publicized, a very strange thing happened: Even though in the years since his time, and especially in our generation, the “facts” upon which his discourse is based have been scientifically disproved, there are today many truly orthodox Rabbis who state publicly that they accept the conclusions reached by that discourse because of… his interpretations of the words of our Sages.[In their words: The questions on many of the statements of our Sages from the theory of evolution, and Darwin’s theory, etc. have already been answered in the “Ohr HaChaim Discourse.”] True, his words were said and printed. Yet, from the tone of these writings it is obvious that they were not written as a result of an honest belief in the veracity of those theories. They were written with a very specific goal in mind: to show the non-Jews that it is possible to find references even to their views and theories in the holy Writings and the words of our Sages. Indeed, even the authors themselves admitted that their answers are extremely forced and often do not fit with the plain meaning of the verse. It is just that they felt it necessary to adopt these views anyway, despite recognizing their shortcomings, in an attempt to improve the outlook of the outside “world” towards our holy Torah." see: https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/112235/jewish/Apologetics.htm#footnoteRef1a112235

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    Moshe -4 years ago

    This is "shmita shneya"?

    The second attempt, where the first was a creation of chesed? 

    Didn't we learn elsewhere that the world was first created according to din, struct judgement, but Hashem saw it couldn't exist, so he went to plan B, our world, a world founded on  chesed? 

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      Sara Metzger -4 years ago

      If the other view is correct, that we are actually in the 7th shmita, what were the previous worlds founded on? Sounds like cheesed, din, and what else?

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