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  MZ -3 years ago

  Cause and Effect

  If I understood correctly you learned that the reason why the students started sitting was because there was a dimmunition in the respect/are/reverence for Torah - however, I wonder if it may have worked the other way around in which there was a dimmunition in the above-mentioned and therefore the inability to stand and concentrate was negatively affected.

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  Alizah Hochstead -3 years ago

  Sleeping in Class So should someone waking up his neighbor who has fallen asleep? Or is that stealing from them?

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  • Anonymous -3 years ago

    Not answering just some sources

    see https://judaism.stackexchange.com/questions/1083/is-it-gezel-sheinah-for-a-teacher-to-wake-up-a-student-in-class

    see From http://www.dinonline.org/2013/11/05/gezel-sheina-stealing-sleep/

    The sefer “Ve-Ahavta Le-Re’acha Kamocha” notes that Rav Chaim of Brisk used the expression “gezel sheina,” implying that waking somebody up needlessly is a form of theft.

    However, there does not appear to be any grounds for connecting waking somebody up with monetary theft.

    It is true that there are other forms of theft that do not involve monetary loss, such as geneivas daas, which the Tosesfta writes is the most severe of all types of theft. However, even the deception of geneivas daas involves taking something from the victim — his daas — whereas preventing somebody from sleeping is a physical nuisance, but doesn’t transfer anything from the victim to the would-be-thief.

    This point has been raised by Rav Shmuel Wosner (Shevet Ha-Levi 7:224), who writes that denying the benefit of sleep from a person is certainly a sinful act (see Bava Basra 20b; Shulchan Aruch, Choshen Mishpat 156, concerning the laws of neighbors), but does not fall under the category of theft.

    --- Rav Zalman Nechemia Goldberg (Kovetz Beit Aharon Viyisrael Av 5762), Shevet Halevi 7:224, Mishne Halachot 12:443-444, and 14:199, Halachos of Other People's Money pg. 83.

    In a number of teshuvot, Rav Menashe Klein in Mishneh Halachot (12:443-4, 14:199-200) discusses the question of whether waking someone up is really considered stealing. On the one hand, he tries to show that the prohibition of stealing even applies to non-tangible items that one wouldn’t have to return. For example, the Tosefta (Bava Kama 3:7) says that it is considered stealing to trick someone (genevat daat). Rav Klein explains that the root of stealing is causing someone anguish and doesn’t only apply to tangible items. Similarly, waking someone up causes that person discomfort and could be considered stealing.

    On the other hand, he writes that the Mishna (B”B 20b) speaks of people having the legitimate right to complain that their neighbors make too much noise with their guests and prevent them from sleeping. The Meiri on that Mishna describes such an action as intangible damage and not stealing. Based on the Meiri, the Mishneh Halachot prefers to say that waking someone up is an issue of damage and not stealing. Shevet HaLevi 7:224 agrees. 
    Regarding waking up someone who is sick and needs his sleep, certainly waking them up is forbidden just like damaging them physically. Lastly, Rav Klein writes that wasting someone’s time in it of itself is stealing because time is the most valuable thing a person has.
    see Ten Minute Halacha - Gezel Sheina Stealing Sleep by Rabbi Aryeh Lebowitz

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  Dr. Heshie Klein -3 years ago

  Dealing with Difficult Students

  Rabbi Simcha Weinberg, Shlit'a, told me this about his grandfather, Rav Yaakov Yitzchok Ruderman, ZT"L, who was the Founder and Rosh Yeshiva of Ner Yisroel in Baltimore. Whenever there was a student who all the rabbeim couldn't deal with, and they wanted him thrown out of the Yeshiva, Rav Ruderman would say, "Give me that student. That is the student I want." and he would take that student under his wing, under his personal guidance, and he said, "These are the talmidim that have tremendous potential." And every one of them became a Gadol."

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• Anonymous -3 years ago

  ולא לשחוק בפניהם

  
  מצדיקי הרבים ככוכבים chelek 3

  

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  Moshe -3 years ago

  Teachers and students stood or sat on the same level

  interesting that both in botei din, and lehavdil, secular courts, the judge must be elevated on a platform. Why the difference?

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